{"id":3926,"date":"2021-10-21T17:57:02","date_gmt":"2021-10-21T15:57:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/destination-montagne.ch\/?p=3926"},"modified":"2022-12-16T09:20:05","modified_gmt":"2022-12-16T08:20:05","slug":"les-chemins-nostalgie","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/staging.destination-montagne.ch\/en\/les-chemins-nostalgie\/","title":{"rendered":"The nostalgia paths"},"content":{"rendered":"\t\t<div data-elementor-type=\"wp-post\" data-elementor-id=\"3926\" class=\"elementor elementor-3926\" data-elementor-post-type=\"post\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<section data-particle_enable=\"false\" data-particle-mobile-disabled=\"false\" class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-c1efc2b elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"c1efc2b\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-bd47446\" data-id=\"bd47446\" data-element_type=\"column\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-wrap elementor-element-populated\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-element elementor-element-5fa5ee4 elementor-widget elementor-widget-text-editor\" data-id=\"5fa5ee4\" data-element_type=\"widget\" data-widget_type=\"text-editor.default\">\n\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-widget-container\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p>Nach dem Hochwasser von 2015, war der Weg durch das Arni-Tobel lange gesperrt. Dann hatte ich sp\u00e4ter vernommen, dass die Nidwaldner Wanderwege dieser Pfad ohne Begr\u00fcndung aus dem Netz genommen hatten. Ab und zu hatte ich die online-Karte nachgeschlagen und festgestellt, dass der Weg durch das Arni-Tobel immer noch eingezeichnet war (und das auch auf der 1:10&#8217;000 Karte) obschon die Abzweigung Richtung Staldeli nicht mehr aufgenommen wurde. Dann bin ich auf den Beitrag von Cardamine <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hikr.org\/tour\/post154502.html\">(https:\/\/www.hikr.org\/tour\/post154502.html<\/a>) gestossen und gelesen, dass der Arniloch-Weg immer noch zu begehen war. Auch die Abzweigung in Richtung Staldeli ist weiterhin machbar, sofern wenig Wasser fliesst: die Br\u00fccke steht n\u00e4mlich nicht mehr.<br \/>Der Weg durch das Arni-Tobel ist f\u00fcr mich eine alte Bekanntschaft. Das Tobel war f\u00fcr mich ein Ausflugsziel f\u00fcr eine Halbt\u00e4gige Tour. Ich hatte ihn auch mehrmals als Zugang f\u00fcr der Juchlipass benutzt. Tats\u00e4chlich ist der Zugang durch die Schlucht der k\u00fcrzeste Weg von Engelberg aus in Richtung Juchli.<br \/>Die Nidwaldner Wanderwege schlugen vor, die Alternativen zu benutzen, entweder \u00fcber \u00c4schboden, Staldeli und Stalden, oder dem Jochpassweg bis Untertr\u00fcbsee und weiter \u00fcber die Wangh\u00fctte. Beide entsprechen einem Umweg mit einer Einbusse von 20 Minuten. Ebenfalls vermute ich, dass der Weg urspr\u00fcnglich als touristische Attraktion unterhaltet wurde (es gibt etliche antike Postkarten mit dem Arni-Tobel als Thema). Das Verschwinden dieses Wegs w\u00fcrde das Verschwinden einen Erben entsprechen (wie auch der ehemalige Weg vom Rosenbold, heute Brunni benennt, bis Spisegg oder die ehemalige Stigi oberhalb Alpenr\u00f6sli), dass ich bedauern w\u00fcrde.<br \/>Deswegen hatte ich die Absicht wieder einmal durch die Schlucht aufzusteigen. Von Engelberg aus geht es \u00fcber Espen und \u00d6rtigen bis unterhalb Eggli. Beim Eingang der Schlucht stand einen Hinweis, dass der ganze Weg wegen Forstarbeiten gesperrt war. Ich tat es ungern hinwegzusetzen, aber die Neugier war zu gross. Deswegen ging ich trotz der Sperre weiter. Zum Gl\u00fcck waren die Forstarbeiten auf die ersten hundert Metern des Weges konzentriert und niemand vor Ort.<br \/>Weiter oben musste ich feststellen, dass der Weg mit einem Freischneider bereinigt wurde, was hindeutet, dass er weiterhin gepflegt wird. Der Weg verl\u00e4uft genau wie fr\u00fcher. Klar war die Br\u00fccke weiter oben neu gebaut und im Abschnitt knapp unter der Br\u00fccke standen neue Felsbl\u00f6cke, die hinuntergest\u00fcrzt sind&#8230; aber das war fr\u00fcher auch schon so. Eigentlich wurde seit dem 2015er Unwetter, &#8220;nur&#8221; die Br\u00fccke wiedergebaut und der erste Abschnitt nach der Br\u00fccke verbessert. Der Weg verl\u00e4uft wie fr\u00fcher&#8230; Auch wenn die Verw\u00fcstung extrem ist (man k\u00f6nnte glauben, dass einige Bl\u00f6cke vom Hang hinuntergefallen waren&#8230; aber die wurden vom Wasser mitgerissen&#8230;), ist den gr\u00f6ssten Teil wie fr\u00fcher geblieben.<br \/>Die fr\u00fcheren Markierungen wurden \u00fcberstrichen, weil man dieser Weg nicht mehr im offiziellen Netz haben will. Meine Vermutung dazu ist, dass der Weg ab Eggli sich im eidgen\u00f6ssischen Jagdbanngebiet befindet und dort die entsprechenden Vorschriften gelten. Die eine Bedingung f\u00fcr ein Weggebot durch das Jagdbanngebiet im Winter ist, dass der Weg markiert ist. Da man als Sicherheitsgr\u00fcnden verhindern will, dass der Arni-Tobel Weg im Winter begehen wird, hat man ihn aus dem Netz genommen.<br \/>Weiter oben, unter der Wangh\u00fctte, erreicht man die Weiden wo man auf Tr\u00fcmmer stosst. Das war der Ort wo die ehemalige Wirtschaft &#8220;zum Arnitobel&#8221; stand, die ebenfalls auf alten Postkarten abgebildet wurde. Mein Vater hatte uns erz\u00e4hlt, dass der Wirt in einem Rausch das Haus angez\u00fcndet hatte und dieses niederbrannte.<br \/>F\u00fcr mich ging es dann weiter \u00fcber Stalden in Richtung Lutersee. Knapp unter der H\u00fctte Arnizingel querte ich in Richtung Chr\u00e4mergaden, weil ich vom Unter Zingel absteigen wollte. Letzteren Weg war ich vor 30 Jahren gewandert und ich wollte sehen, wie das heute ist.<br \/>Vom Chr\u00e4mergaden geht es dem breiten Weg leicht hinauf bis zur Haarnadelkurve. Dort trifft man die erste Markierung (rote Punkte), die nach Unter Zingel f\u00fchren. Der Abstieg zur H\u00fctte Unter Zingel ist zwar teilweise steil, aber gut gepflegt.<br \/>In Unter Zingel traf ich Hans der mir freundlicherweise ein Bier geschenkt hat und mir das Funktionieren der Seilbahn nach Obermatt gezeit hat. Ich glaube ich w\u00fcrde es kaum wagen in die Gondel zu steigen&#8230; Ich durfte ihm aber helfen der Wassertank der Gondel zu f\u00fcllen. Das ist ein einfaches, aber bew\u00e4hrtes System: die Bahn ist 100 Jahre alt.<br \/>Von Unter Zingel nach Obermatt geht es zuerst ein wenig hinauf bis man, an einem Tor vorbei gehend, durch eine weitere Weide absteigt. Die Wegspuren sind da kaum zu sehen, man muss aber nur die roten Punkte folgen. Dann geht es in den Wald und \u00fcber eine Runse. Diese Runse k\u00f6nnte bei starkem Regen ungem\u00fctlich werden. Das ist auch meines Erachtens die einzige kritische Stelle im ganzen Abstieg, auch wenn der Rest steil ist. Nach der Runse geht es fast eben bis zum ersten Schiessibach. Von dort aus, geht der Weg steil, mit Haarnadelkurven hinab in Richtung Aawasser. Der Weg ist nicht zu verpassen und im Gel\u00e4nde ganz gut sichtbar. Ausser in Arnigrien k\u00f6nnte ich mich vorstellen, dass er im Fr\u00fchsommer nicht leicht zu finden ist. Dort gab es n\u00e4mlich Forstarbeiten und man kann entsprechend hohe Stauden erwarten.<br \/>Der Weg des Aawasser-Tobels erreicht man ca. 800m oberhalb der Arnibr\u00fcgg. Ein kleines Schild deutet auf den Weg zur Zingel. Von Dort besteht seit 2010 nicht mehr die M\u00f6glichkeit in die Bahn zu steigen. Entsprechend muss man entweder durch die Aaschlucht hinaufsteigen oder nach Grafenort abzusteigen.<\/p><p>Route: Engelberg \u2013 \u00d6rtigen \u2013 Arniloch \u2013 Wangh\u00fctte \u2013 Stalden \u2013 Unter Zingel \u2013 Obermatt \u2013 Grafenort<br \/>Distanz: 16,5Km<br \/>H\u00f6henunterschied: 600m<br \/>Dauer: 4h<\/p>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t<\/section>\n\t\t\t\t<section data-particle_enable=\"false\" data-particle-mobile-disabled=\"false\" class=\"elementor-section elementor-top-section elementor-element elementor-element-1023e1e elementor-section-boxed elementor-section-height-default elementor-section-height-default\" data-id=\"1023e1e\" data-element_type=\"section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-container elementor-column-gap-default\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"elementor-column elementor-col-100 elementor-top-column elementor-element elementor-element-d22f613\" data-id=\"d22f613\" 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